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Balaraman Suresh 1319
08-04-2001 12:18 AM
The stupid does not attain Godhead because he wants to be it - Parti Baba;, while the wise person enjoys the Supreme Godhead without even wanting it - Ex-Devotees.
Balaraman Suresh 1318
08-03-2001 11:43 PM
Nirguna : The word means or signifies GOD beyond Material Qualities, without attributes.(Formless God).
Saguna : The word means or signifies GOD has spiritual Qualities, possesing attributes.(God with Form).
Just like we need to start with Kindergarten to 12,Under Grad,Grad,Phd,Research;we start with god in a form and finally reach the stage without a formless god(Abstract ),merge with the Paramatma(Supersoul).Of course this is my understanding,there may be Vedic Sanskrit scholars who may explain it differently.
Hari Sampath 1317
08-03-2001 10:15 PM
Edited by author 08-03-2001 10:17 PM
Terrie :
Saguna Brahman refers to that aspect of Brahman that expresses what is considered "good and auspicious qualities"
"Sa" means good, and "guna" means quality, this is the closest it can be explained or understood.
Brahman refers to the "constant, unchanging and ever existent principle".
Nirguna Brahman is that aspect of Brahman that is believed to be "qualityless" generally, although there are several schools of thought that believe that this is not the most accurate interpretation..
There are some who subscribe to the belief that "nirguna Brahman" or "formless" or "qualityless" actually means "not bound by qualities, but containing them" and also "while possessing qualities, unaffected by them".
The paradox is of course obvious, if there was ONLY a qualityless Brahman, then where is the question of anything else being there. If that is the Absolute and there is nothing else, what is all this that we see, perceive, experience etc...
The obvious answer is that ALL this is illusory and not really existent in the strictest sense, and this force called "maya" makes all this appear to exist......but then..... why should there be maya in the first place ?? who or what creates this maya itself, and why ?? For whom ?
All these are profoundly philosophical questions, and understanding of all this is only possible through deepest enquiry and personal experience.
As far as I am concerned, I believe that the Saguna Brahman and Nirguna Brahman are NOT mutually exclusive, but inclusive and co-existent, and are two sides of the same coin.
I had posted regarding this on the yahoo board (message # 1076) and those are my individual perceptions. I do not want to unnecessarily post these viwpoints here.
Thanks,
Hari Sampath.
Balaraman Suresh 1316
08-03-2001 10:13 PM
//Gurupoornima Discourse
05 July 2001
Prashanthi Nilayam
I and You are One
God is watching all that you do. You may think that others do not know what you are up to. You may hoodwink others, but can you ever hoodwink God? He knows everything.//
Parti Baba should realise that he should be the one careful for all the Un-Natural acts that he has been doing for the last few decades.In fact the Karma that he has accrued by giving pain to countless people physically as well as spiritually,is the main cause that all these exposes are surfacing with alarming rapidity.In my personal opinion Heaven & Hell one experiances in this very birth as its Kali Yugam and one will not wait for another birth.For the true God will punish Parti Baba,he will make him undergo all the punishment in this very birth and i doubt Parti Baba will live upto 2022 as predicted by him.That will be final nail on this mans coffin.Sathyameva Jayate.
Terrie 1315
08-03-2001 09:49 PM
Ref #1313
Tony, there are many western visitors to this board. Can you please define your Indian/Sanskrit words? Then someone like Suresh can affirm the meanings or add subtleties to the meanings. Saguna? Nirguna?
Balaraman Suresh 1314
08-03-2001 09:39 PM
Dear Terrie,Urmila had posted(i think Patrol Troopers deleted those posts) as a newbie explaining that she attributed her success to Parti Baba's blessings,in actuality its Urmila's 99% hard work and burning of midnight candles is the cause for her acheivment's and 1 % of Parti Baba's introduction in fulfilling her ambition,which Supriya in her post has aptly summed up the modern Indian priorities.Its a tradition in Indian families to honor guru's,elder's,and seek there blessings that is all,but people like Parti Baba capitalise on these sentiments and play havoc in one's lives.
Tony O'Clery 1313
08-03-2001 08:30 PM
Ultimately I also do not believe in a creator god! That is Saguna and ultimately only Nirguna is true. In fact realisation will show there never was a creation or a you in the first place.
Lucideye 1312
08-03-2001 06:44 PM
>Looks like even if Paul does not believe in God, God believes in
>Paul, because God is working through Paul who values Truth, and
>hence it has been taken by God as Faith in Him :-)
To Hari:
Yes, I know that.
It was just a general remark. No offense to anybody. :-) When I read that "God bless you" written by Suri ;-), the discussion that I had with Paul concerning the existence of God came back to my mind and as an effect I wrote that hasty comment. I accept his views though my may be different. And of course, I do believe strongly that God is working through all of us indirectly whether we believe in him or not. And therefore the work of Paul must not be underestimated just because he does not believe in a creator.
Sorry, that one could have got a wrong impression by my overhasty comment without any nearer explanation of it.
I might have sound like a supporter of Raju Baba.
I do apologize :-)
Love,
Lucideye
A Sparrow 1311
08-03-2001 06:09 PM
There are 2 good new things by Ella Evers on the Dutch website. Go to Hari's site and click on expose links.
Hari Sampath 1310
08-03-2001 06:09 PM
Ref # 1307 To lucideye.
>>He won't acknowledge that for he is an atheist.<<
Looks like even if Paul does not believe in God, God believes in Paul, because God is working through Paul who values Truth, and hence it has been taken by God as Faith in Him :-)
Love,
Hari.
Terrie 1309
08-03-2001 05:40 PM
Edited by author 08-03-2001 05:42 PM
Ref #1305, Suresh,
Please enlighten us on Urmila. I confess to not knowing who she is. The American newspapers in this area focus on U.S. News with hardly any international news.
Tony O'Clery 1308
08-03-2001 04:34 PM
The 'anger' of ex devotees is part of the grieving process. For having surrendered to a guru, then finding out he isn't 'realised' at all but a fake; It is like the guru dying, hence grief. It will no doubt take a couple of years to work through the system, as any death in the family does.
Lucideye 1307
08-03-200 04:12 PM
>Dear Hari,the website of Paul Holbach is too good and he has
>gone to great lengths in his research to bust Parti Baba.Paul
>wherever you are,god bless you.
He won't acknowledge that for he is an atheist.
Love,
Lucideye
Balaraman Suresh 1306
08-03-2001 02:40 PM
Dear Hari,the website of Paul Holbach is too good and he has gone to great lengths in his research to bust Parti Baba.Paul wherever you are,god bless you.
Balaraman Suresh 1305
08-03-2001 02:34 PM
Dear Terrie,remember the post Supriya had posted as to how most Indians try to figure out the security of life etc,classic example is Urmila.99% of the work was done by Urmila to acheive the position that she is today,but the 1% of Parti Baba gets the credit for the hard work that Urmila did.This is the real scene much in India where bogus godmen/godwomen capitalise on the gullibility of people.Its been dinned into our heads and because of the tradition,culture out there we all get absorbed very much like the Dill Pickles.The true fact of the matter is Urmila studied and burnt the midnight candles and her mother facilated in getting her blessed thru Parti Baba and she is brainwashed into thinking all was done by Parti Baba.
Terrie 1304
08-03-2001 02:26 PM
Anthony, when I'm centered, I feel a lot of love for people too. But I can't always stay centered....
We all belong back with God, even sb.
It's like Supriya said a while back on this board. Life is a dream, and often I feel as if I'm watching a movie screen. The story is happening, but not happening, if that makes any sense.
Love,
Terrie
Anthony 1303
08-03-2001 01:53 PM
Terrie
Thanks for the technical info. Very useful. I do have a PC. Am ever learning - about life and definetly computers!
Your comment is pretty true really. Agression doesn't really feature in my life. I try to adopt the view that we are all here to learn and everyone has a different view of things, so a lot of tolerance is needed. Everyone thinks they are right and others are wrong, but perhaps in the end we will discover that there are just a lot of ways to view things.
It sounds a bit soppy, but I feel a lot of love for people. I don't feel any less love for the people who feel they need to attack me on this board. Mind you, that doesn't stop me answering back sometimes! I know they truly believe they are right and in their mind the attack is justified. To be honest, I don't think there is anyone not worth loving - and that includes -'sb'. And that is pretty tolerant!! However, we can love people but not their actions!
Hari
Thanks for the comment re the autobiography. It was obvious that is was pro 'sb', but I wanted someone to mention this that knew of it - and you have.
Thanks.
Terrie 1302
08-03-2001 12:41 PM
Ref #1301
I don't think "agression" is the right word. I think we're angry about being misled and brainwashed for so many years. We don't start the arguments (agression), but we do get caught up in them.
Terrie 1301
08-03-2001 12:32 PM
Edited by author 08-03-2001 12:33 PM
Ref #1294 Putaipandit, you wrote,
"....I'm sorry but i find the agressive attitude of those who have been in association with asatya to remain the same whether pro, ex or ex+pro..."
Putaipandit, that is a very enlightened statement. The ex-devotees don't have the same biting sacrasm and dripping scorn as the devotees like sarf and Dr. Siva, but I think you're right that most of us "exs" still retain a kind of agressiveness and we're too easily caught up into arguments with the pros. Then our posts start to take on the tone of the pro posts.
This perhaps is a good case for the pervasive influence of the false god, Parti baba. Many of us were devotees for 20-30 years. We absorbed all that was sb. I expect that our brain cells must have been altered over that time period. It will take awhile for us to back to normal, whoever we would have been without the influence of the false god of Puttaparthi.
How long is "a while?" Let's hope not too long. Where did I read that the body's cells are entirely new after a seven year period? Let's start counting....
Note that Anthony was never a devotee, and we don't see that agressive tone in his posts.
George at Sunrise 1300
08-03-2001 11:58 AM
Edited by author 08-03-2001 11:59 AM
Ref #1290: Anthony,
If you go to Sunrise from this site, it opens on top of this board. To leave Sunrise and get back to the board, click on the X in the upper right (if you are using Windows). This will close the Sunrise window. This board is underneath Sunrise (and most other sites that are opened from here). I don't know anything about MACs. I always have to close site windows (X) (such as the ISCKON site with the pics) to get back to this board.
Tony O'Clery 1299
08-03-2001 11:29 AM
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
Sutta Nipata 720
bhakthan 1295
08-03-2001 07:35 AM
Dear Andries,
I am rather amused at your explanation which is so feeble.As a citizen of India and residing there for over four decads, I am familiar with Blitz newapaper and still vividly remember the famous Interviw with its editor Mr.Karanjia. With due respect to late Mr.Karanjia , the Interview does not in any way establish the divinity of god or explain the phnomenon of miracles.Any unbiased Indian whois familiar with India and the history/philosophyof BLITZ will know thatthe Interview was merely a calculatd attempt to sell Saibaba as Godor as a Divine bing. The questionsI asked are still being asked by several people because it is a crime to mislead people in thename of God or socalled miracles,nomatter how long ittakes place or because a significant sction of society believe in it. The point I was trying to state in raising the question was that the gold or other valuables are being materialised simply because ofthe lure these metals has for human being and not becausethey are divine miracles.After all Gold or silver has value only in economic system created byman and not in the natural system of the world created by an unseen God for which human beings are in search since ages but in which many millionsof human beings have fallen for fakes or charlatans claiming thmselves to be Gods!
Secondly I do not want to simply believe because some one has written in somebook that he/she witnessed to SB created fruits from a Tree- Why not do it daily or at least once in open in Public -or give it to the celebrites and politicians politicians who throng his ashrams and receive necklaces, chains and rings.
putaipandit 1294
08-03-2001 03:39 AM
anyone else wanna piece of this? i'm sorry but i find the agressive attitude of those who have been in association with asatya to remain the same whether pro,ex or ex+pro.
it's those last ones you really gotta wach out for though.
putaipandit 1293
08-03-2001 03:36 AM
and i have always kept that kind of comment to myself prefering to play the role of truth provacateur rather than evangelist. but when i see others hopping on the anti asatya train to promote other views of even greater stupidity i.e society of light, maitreya, ickkke whathave you...i get i start waving my putai sword at anything that looks like a pirate.
o'clery's recent denigration of the concept of Avatar included.raju was an imposter, but a pretty good one, he stole from the best. as keenan posted at the top of her site- "the most dangerous deception is that that is closest to the truth" or something to that effect. God how i miss her contibution to this effort. get a clue and don't censure those voices that won't kiss yer ass.
Anthony 1290
08-03-2001 02:33 AM
Hari
I had a look at Paul's site. Really good. There is lots of expose now, thank heavens.
George203
I can't seem to be able to use the 'go back arrow'key to get back to this board after going to yours, but I can use it, for example from Paul's site.
Anthony 1289
08-03-2001 02:29 AM
Sarf
Re 1287 Deliberate off topic discussion will not be allowed on here. I see you have directed your off topic question to someone you feel will answer. If it goes past here, they will be deleted.
Anthony 1288
08-03-2001 02:26 AM
B Suresh
Re the quote in 1281. I see it this way also. All things that help our tolerance of others are good.
Hari
That Buddha quote has been framed and hanging in my bathroom for many years.
Always a gentle reminder that it is the message and not the messenger that is important. If the message feels right, let it be so. But not to accept simply becuase it seems to come from someone we think should know.
One that has helped me through troubled times is: This too, shall pass.
And for more tolerance:They are doing the best they can with the data they have at hand.
And another for greater tolerance, when viewed from the aspect of having previous incarnations and hopefully gaining a little wisdom and understanding along the way:
'I was there once.'
putaipandit
Sorry, but whatever someone (Holbach) includes on their website has nothing to do with this board and doesn't give you or others a free licence to put up unconnected links on here.
Hari Sampath 1285
08-02-2001 09:59 PM
Dear All,
Please take a look at this excellent website by Paul Holbach.
http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/
Paul was one of the earliest persons to start an anti Sai Baba campaign on the internet, and I know him very well. He was one of the 4-5 people who got together in 1999, and I know him to be an excellent researcher.
This site is one of the very best Sai Baba expose sites I had seen .
Thanks,
Hari Sampath
putaipandit 1284
08-02-2001 09:37 PM
while you are all congratulating each other and patting each other on the back, might i interject for a moment and clear up a concept or three. (and refute mr.o'cleary wisdom while i'm at it)
jivanmukti- liberated incarnate.alternatively experiences union with God and gross existence. no responciblity to
creation. passes on liberation to one other soul.
satguru- liberated incarnate. continuously eperiences unity with God. direct responsibility to twelve souls, indirect responsibility to the whole universe.
Avatar- simultainiously liberated and bound in the consciouness of each and everyone of us (now that's a
crucifiction!)previuos avataric incarnations- zorastrar, rama,krisna,buddha,jesus and mohammed.
just because you were hoodwinked once doesn't make the real thing go away.
Balaraman Suresh 1283
08-02-2001 08:26 PM
Hey Georgie,way to go man.......looks superb doesn't it,conveying the epic battle of good over evil....
George at Sunrise 1282
08-02-2001 08:23 PM
Ref 1277: BEAUTIFUL Suresh!! The picture is on Sunrise now. Go look, everyone! Now if we could only get all those other files on to the site....
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise
Balaraman Suresh 1281
08-02-2001 08:22 PM
Here is a delightful Quote from Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa,"Questioned, for instance, on the problem of evil, Sri Ramakrishna said:" Evil exists in God as poison in a serpent. What is poison to us is not poison to the serpent. Evil is evil only from the point of view of man." In other words, from the absolute standpoint, there is no evil, but from the relative standpoint evil is a terrible reality. " I like this message so much that i have abundance of tolerance initiated by this quote.To him his wife Sharada Devi was equiavalent to Goddess Shakthi or Durga Maa.I have taken from the time 6 June 1993 incident till 2001 to extricate from the influence of Parti Baba,and i am equally interested about knowing how other's coped, as well as coping after freed from delusion.Now to me Parti Baba is like the Serpent with poison which is harmful to us ,but to him thats his aphrodisiac.
Hari Sampath 1280
08-02-2001 08:19 PM
To Terrie ,Ref 1278 :
I had posted some 3 weeks back that in 10 days or so a new round of media expose will start, significantly in the US.
This has started already with the salon.com story, and more are following, in the next few days
There is a BIG expose planned in India, over a period of 2 months, it is still in an organizing phase, and when it succeeds ( It certainly will), all the other things done so far would be capped off. This will be the icing on the cake, and the mother of all exposes !!! Please be patient.
Over the next 10 days, there will be more media exposes in North and South America.
Thanks,
Hari Sampath
A Sparrow 1279
08-02-2001 07:56 PM
Glen ... What a great and pertinent quote from Buddha. I copied it down and will memorize it, cause it sure might come in handy over the years. That was my (and many people's) downfall: "Whoa, this guy/gal must be a lot smarter than I am, cause he's a Dr, pyschologist, professor, psychic, priest; you name it, so he/she MUST be right in saying that so-and-so is God?"
Did anybody out there happen to read a book by a woman who is or was a raju dev who claimed to have gotten messages from the Virgin Mary? she had people scurrying all over the USA to avoid disasters in specific areas. None of them has happened yet and they are past their due date.
I even had an aquaintance who was convinced by psychics that a huge disaster would befall much of America. So she moved to India and was dead of cancer within 2 years.
Terrie 1278
08-02-2001 07:48 PM
Ref #1273: "Many recent media stories will be added too (many more are coming as well, stay tuned, I will have more news in 2 days)."
And where did I read recently that "within 10 days" there would be such significant news that all previous stories would seem unimportant in comparison? (This was the general idea, but I can't remember the exact words.)
Hari, can't you give us a small hint or two?
Balaraman Suresh 1277
08-02-2001 07:35 PM
Dear George at Sunrise,Please check this for the battle field scene http://www.iskcon.org/gallery/000/009.htm i am unable to get into Ramakrishna Mission's site for i remember they too had a fab pic.
Tony O'Clery 1276
08-02-2001 07:26 PM
George: Jivanmukti = an individual whose ego is subsumed into the universal, and is revealed not to have been individual at all. Liberated from delusion/illusion.
Avatar/Bhodisattvar: Sanskrit=cross down. Indicating some kind of existence, even if at the highest level would not be merged in Nirguna Brahman, as is a Jivanmukti.
Hari Sampath 1273
08-02-2001 05:38 PM
Anthony, George, Terrie , Suresh and others, Thank you all for the kind comments on our site.
We are working on updating a few links, adding some new content to the government developments etc.
Many recent media stories will be added too ( many more are coming as well, stay tuned, I will have more news in 2 days).
Thanks
Hari Sampath
George at Sunrise 1272
08-02-2001 05:15 PM
Ref #1262: Jivanmukti?? Liberated being? My Sanskrit needs work. Please translate.
George at Sunrise 1271
08-02-2001 04:58 PM
Edited by author 08-02-2001 05:02 PM
Ref #1270 http://www.sathyasaivictims.com The whole site is incredibly comprehensive. I believe that Hari and Said were able to save everything from saibabaguru.com Those two have saved us a lot of work. We've linked their site from several of our pages. We're emphasizing current interesting conversations (such as those on QT), current news, and will be posting additional stories from ex-devotees.
If you want to read comprehensive news stories, sb's lies, resignation letters, etc., go to the site above. Just about everything is there.
A call for help: We'd like to have a picture of the Mahabharata war on our first page, but couldn't find one. Can anyone help? We have a painting of Arjuna with Krishna in the chariot, but we want a battle scene.
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise
Anthony 1270
08-02-2001 03:34 PM
Hari
Great site you have. The list under 'how sb cheats' is incredibly comprehensive. Thank you for all the hard work.
George 203
And thank you for all yours.
Thank God for you all.
Balaraman Suresh 1269
08-02-2001 03:29 PM
http://www.panchangam.com/dasha.htm
Dear Fellow Brother's/Sister's,the above link throws some light about Lord Vishnu's Incarnation in Earth apart from giving you all information abot Hindu Vedic calendar,which clearly established Hari Sampath's 20 October 1940 being a Sunday not Monday as wrongly proclaimed by Parti Baba in his discourses.
Balaraman Suresh 1268
08-02-2001 03:17 PM
Dear Terrie,Thank you for letting me know about your faith in SRF Yogananda Paramahamsa.I did not know such a great saint from India had come and spread the good words and integrating Christanity with Hinduism.I am making efforts to read his works and teaching's.All i knew before was Swami Vivekananda's exemplary speech in Chicago,Srila Prabhu Pada's Hare Krishna Movement in the USA.When i compare Parti Baba with these Mahaan's,Parti Baba looks like a cheap imitation jewellery,who is filled with much ego,pomp and a totall showman.
Balaraman Suresh 1267
08-02-2001 03:09 PM
Dear Hari,from your website http://www.sathyasaivictims.com i went to the yahoo discussion club and saw a hilarious message from you "Ok, let me illustrate : In a place called Puttaparthi in India, a certain species of animals called Homo sapiens sapiens are being abused by a man." the sheer satire is too good.Hope Parti Baba recognises this homo activity as Un-natural and spares the males further.
Balaraman Suresh 1266
08-02-2001 02:37 PM
With reference to your post bhakthan,Parti Baba does this basically to attract crowds.A suppossedly godly magic show,to stun people with these costly gifts for rich people and ash or vibhuthi for poor people reminding them to ashes we all will be reduced finally.Now these gold articles become a topic of discussion for these people wherever they go and become public relation work for fraction of the cost namely the gold article.Parti Baba will not give gifts to all and sundry because that would defeat the very purpose of advertisement.Gold is a metal which is sought after at least in India and statistics prove that India is a large consumer of gold.As for shiva lingam,it is again an oppurtunity for Parti Baba to stun large number of people on a very holy day for the hindus.All the shiva lingams are locally produced and given to Parti Baba.Has Parti Baba been able to produce any material which is not found in Earth,say material from Moon,or Jupiter,or Saturn etc.??
Balaraman Suresh 1264
08-02-2001 01:59 PM
Dear Glen,your posting is indeed a fine one.Prince Siddarth who later came to be known as the awakened one "Gauthama Buddha" was one of the greatest son's of India (Formerly known as BHARATA VARSHA).In fact some Hindu schools of thought project(Like Srila Prabhu Pada's Hare Krishna's) that Gautama Buddha as an incarnation of Lord Vishnu.Buddham Charanam Gacchhami,as the chant goes.But despicable character's too like Parti Baba who disguise themselve's in the Red Gown of divinity and indulge in Un-naturals acts and even try to justify their action's.It certainly would be interesting if Saishoot,Sarf, and other misguided beings are subjected to these un-natural acts by Parti Baba and would they still be crowing to the so called glory's of Parti Baba?
Anthony 1263
08-02-2001 01:55 PM
Thank you Glen for all your contributions.
Tony O'Clery 1262
08-02-2001 01:53 PM
Very good Glen!! Yes we are trapped by our own egoistic desire. The ultimate proof desired that our non existant ego really exists. It must do the Avatar recognises it!! Even those of us into Buddhism or Advaita and should have known better fell into the tender trap of recognition.
This state prevented us from moving ahead spiritually on the real path, and put us into a sort of freeze with regard to normal ambitions and opportunities.
sb is the thief of valuable time.
A jivanmukti is probably more advanced than an Avatar anyway, for an avatar still has the thought to help, therefore is a human. The mukti has merged with the universal. We are all avatars!!!!!!!It is a concept!!!!
Anthony 1261
08-02-2001 01:53 PM
True avatars are on a pilgrimage to greater enlightenment and walk in the pure light of God.
Although 'sb' certainly could do with some enlightenment, the path he walks is not of the Light. Falling for his line that he is God, doesn't make it so. He has made an untrue statement and some people have believed it.
Happens every day in every walk of life. All part of the learning.
George at Sunrise 1259
08-02-2001 01:00 PM
#1250: Beautiful letter for the Sunrise ex-devotee page, Glen. You speak for many of us.
Andries 1257
08-02-2001 12:39 PM
Ref 1253 Dear Bhaktan,
There are many good reasons why SSB gives only trinkets. Read the Blitz interview 1976 to start with. Can't find the URL right now but it is in the book by Sandweis 'Spirit and the mind' pages 235-258.
There are 4 reasons why he gives vibuthi.
According to the book by Erlendur Haraldsson there are people who saw SSB materialize random out of season fruits on a tree.
Hope this answers your questions but why did you ask them? Thanks.
bhakthan 1253
08-02-2001 07:59 AM
Dear All,
I am yet to understand why a God born human and who boasts of omnipotent powers need to give to his chosen devotees only Gold and diamong rings ,Seiko watches, Cameras( I have been told by his devotees that he has materialised cameras for some- I thought Camera is a human invention and a flower or fruit is God's creation) and "ash "to commom folk - why not flowers , fruits or a few drops of water ?
why cough out "lingams" on sivarathri? ( There can be no greater despicable act to insult Hinduism/Hindus and " Sivalingam" that represents a great school of thought in hindu religion than being a mere imagery) - Of course the beauty of Hinduism lies in its tolerance of such perverse acts .can some devotees clarify ? .
Lucideye 1252
08-02-2001 06:45 AM
Dear Glen,
I love your last posting. One of the best, if not THE best I have ever read on the topic.
Thank you,
Lucideye
Anthony 1251
08-02-2001 06:20 AM
Saishoot
Although 'sb' is being advertised perhaps to those who have never heard of him, fortunately along with the advertising, go the allegations. So it is accompanied by a major warning to people and most would be unlikely to rush to join him without at first at least thinking a little about it! That should do the trick. A little thinking goes a long way.
Glen 1250
08-02-2001 03:32 AM
What to Believe???
Dear Former Devotees, Devotees, Friends and Supporters of Truth and Goodness,
As I reflect back on my own need to have God as my personal Guru ;and when I mistakingly thought he had taken human form in Puttaparhi, India, it was compelling for me to devote every thought, word and deed to him.
I wanted him to lead, guide and protect me and I wanted to be totally controlled, loved and possessed by the one I believed to be the Lord of Lords, the God of Gods and the Creator of all Creation..
Indeed I was possessed and fanatically obsessed with what I mistakingly believed to be the highest form of Love and Light energy ..
Never dreaming for one moment that he could be a negative force that was sucking all of our energies for his own mental and physical gratification.
After awakening from that trance-like state after 26 years and after taking back the power I willingly gave to him, I now find myself resonating with the words spoken long ago by one of the several incarnations who the fraud god in Puttaparthi claims to encompass.
"Do Not believe anything, because it is said by an authority, or if it is said to come from angels, or from Gods, or from an inspired source.
Believe it only if you have explored it in your own heart and mind and body and found it to be true.
Work out your own path through diligence."
by Gautama Buddha
Now, I claim no allegiance to any denomination, but the above thought does express what I believe to be the highest truth for me. And I do believe there is a Divine Light of Truth within each and everyone of us that is waiting to be discovered and realized.......and that there is no need for any permanent intermediaries (Gurus, Priests, Ministers, etc.) between that Divine Light of the Real God.within all of us..
How many of us really explored in our own hearts, mind and body the truth of what we were being told by Murphet, Sandweiss and others????
Sad to say, many of us swallowed the bait and then were hooked for a long time as our life's energies were
drained and misused.by mind controlling techniques, book s, lectures, audio and video tapes, devotional trance inducing music and the ever present lure of that private interview with god behind the curtain of shame.
May the highest order of Divine truth bless all those who are still trapped and possessed and may the Divine Light free them to see and understand the evil that is masquerading as goodness.
For Truth, Love, Light and Goodness,
Glen
Terrie 1247
08-01-2001 10:19 PM
Edited by author 08-01-2001 10:25 PM
Thanks, Hari. I never clicked on The Findings on your site, since I had already read them. I'm glad that the LIES are permanently in place on http://www.sathyasaivictims.com
Lots of stuff there!! I think it would be helpful to extend the "etc." to include more description. Include the word "lies," for example.
Hari Sampath 1246
08-01-2001 08:22 PM
Terrie:
All the Sai Baba lies are on my site :
Please click on 'the Findings Etc" on the left, and then on the right please click on "Read the lies that have made Sai Baba a fake god".
This will take you to a page "All lies".
Thank you,
Hari Sampath .
PS : Ok , no more slinging, just couldn't resist it :-)
Terrie 1245
08-01-2001 08:08 PM
Hari, Anthony has said he doesn't want any slinging matches here. I admit, the board is rather quiet today, but....
O.K., replying to sarf was a good excuse to bring up the calendar problem: Sunday vs. Monday.
Maybe Sunrise or your site will post this calendar discrepancy for all to see. I remember seeing this discussed somewhere else in a lot of detail. For our reference, do you know where?
Sunrise has a place for contradictions in sb's discourses. How about your site?