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Hari Sampath 1087
07-29-2001 04:35 AM
Dear All,
The following set of posts by this Sarf will probably provide an insight in to how desperate and vulnerable the psyche of a "SB devotee" is. This is probably the mental mechanism that makes them clutch at one desperate excuse after another to defend their "avatar's" divinity ( and their sanity).
>>>Schools change headmasters, dont they? Why is that an issue?<<<
>>Nowhere have you shown that SB mentioned both as being headmasters at that date. Thats your faulty, hasty deduction<<
>>Has it occured to you that Lakshmipati may be the nickname of Kameswar Rao?<<
>>Calendars change too. Provide a calendar from that region from that time.
Otherwise its a waste of time speculating<<
>>There are many calendars. There is the telugu calendar, the islamic calendar, the chinese calendar etc.<<
>>Look, just get the school records. Otherwise you are going around in circles. The burden of proof is on you.<< You are going to have a harder time convincing a court of your 'fundamental facts'. Only among the gullible can you be hailed as a hero.<<
>>Wrong. That betrays your ignorance of calendars. Thats why I suggest you get 'concrete' evidence like school records if you wish to conclusively prove your case. You can pretend all you want that you have proved it, but I keep poking holes in all your arguments.<<
>>Once again: you have NOT established your case. It was easy for me to show that, and I am not even a trained lawyer.<<
>>Thats an irrelevant question. Its YOUR issue, not mine. Its you who have to establish your claim beyond any reasonable doubt.<<
We can only sympathise with such desperate "arguments". How badly they must be hurting at the great deception of Sai Baba, and how vulnerable they must feel without the crutch of their "avatar". I cannot imagine what they are trying to save here, whether it is Sai Baba or their own sanities.
Hari Sampath
Hari Sampath 1074
07-29-2001 03:26 AM
Sarf :
Here is the link for the Hindu Vedic calendar:
http://www.panchangam.com/
Check out the day/date of Oct 20 th 1940
Hari Sampath
Andries 1066
07-29-2001 03:04 AM
Dear All,
Hari wrote
>"Further, only in very severe cases of extremely bad karma, would a human being be reborn as an animal. The reverse order of birth into lower species hardly ever happens,..."
I'm absolutely sure that SSB himself has said this too. Another contradiction with the story of the boys reincarnated as dogs. But I can't give a reference right now. Can somebody help?
Hopefully SSB will rot the rest of his life in jail otherwise his next birth may not be that of human being.
Kind regards, Andries K.D.
Hari Sampath 1065
07-29-2001 02:57 AM
Sarf :
Check out http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar
Scroll all the way down, and enter 1940 .... check out the month of october ..... and start thinking about your next weak excuse Hari Sampath
Hari Sampath 1063
07-29-2001 02:55 AM
>>Calendars change too. Provide a calendar from that region from that time.
Otherwise its a waste of time speculating.<<
What do you mean by " a calendar for the region" ? How many different calendars are there for 2001 , all over the world ?
Hari Sampath
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Cock & Bull 1053
07-29-2001 12:00 AM
Dear Hari
"The theory of reincarnation clearly does not hold good for "merged" souls, as merging itself means "no more births or deaths". "
As a Born Hindu Hari,you have correctly translated reincarnation in Hindu Philosophy.The Biggest LIE that Gas Raju has been telling is that he is reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba.Now such an exalted soul like Shirdi Sai Baba will not and did not be born again.The beauty is Gas Raju has predicted that he will be born again as Prema Sai Baba,as if this one Gas Raju is not enough to deal with!!
Hari Sampath 1052
07-28-2001 11:45 PM
Two more big expose events scheduled in the next 10 days.
Stay tuned.
Hari Sampath.
Hari Sampath 1051
07-28-2001 11:43 PM
Dear C & B,
Audio and video clippings are being considered, but as the disk space required will be too large, we are wondering how much we can put in.
Also, it takes some effort to acquire the tapes, and then put them up on the site, if the victims agree.
We are looking at all possibilities, and we will come up with something.
Thanks for the very good suggestions.
Hari Sampath.
Cock & Bull 1050
07-28-2001 11:35 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 11:37 PM
Dear Said Khorram Shagol
Please consult with Hari if you could include either Audio or Video or Both clippings in http://www.sathyasaivictims.com as i feel this will reach a larger targetted audience and thus enable us to quickly draw the attention of TV stations in the USA.
Cock & Bull 1049
07-28-2001 10:57 PM
Looks like Raju has been Gassing a lot to Hislop and Sandweiss.Raju must be cursing himself for having talked to these two gentlemen.In fact i think i should rename Raju as "GAS RAJU" in all my further postings.In fact whenever i see the Beano advertisement, i am remembered of Gas Raju.Now Dr.SS, Beano is over the counter drug,you don't have to prescribe prescription for this.
Hari Sampath 1048
07-28-2001 10:44 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 10:45 PM
More lies from Sai Baba :
Here is more from Sai Baba's own statements that categorically demonstrate that Sai Baba just makes up stories as he goes along with little regard to Truth.
I had always felt that these "small factual inconsistencies" or in other words outright lies, serve the purpose of highlighting the larger lie that Sai Baba has perpetrated on millions of people worldwide, namely - he is the "avatar".
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>From "conversations with Sathya Sai Baba"- John Hislop :
This interview was recorded in the early 1970s
Page 114 :
Hislop : The early stories are extraordinary ! They do not conform to anything we could inamgine. Those childhood companions , they must have been quite special. Was their further destiny unusual also ?
Sai : Concerning the seat in school, there were two boys who sat with Swami in the same seat. It was for three. When Swami declared that he would no longer go to school, one boy committed suicide. The other boy went mad. He would call "Raju Raju" all the time. At length he died.
Hislop : It is very strange; a great mystery. But was his death a good death because his mind was fixed on Swami and constantly calling Swami's name ?
Sai : He merged with me.
Now let us take a look at what Sai Baba says in his speech of October 1st 2000 .
************************************************ ........Without Raju, Ramesh and Suresh refused to sit on the bench or stay in the classroom. Ramesh ran and jumped into a well giving up his life.
Suresh kept crying, "Raju, have you left us! Raju, have you left us!" He became mad and was admitted to the mental hospital in Bangalore. His parents prayed to Me to go and see him once. Swami told them, "The present Suresh is different from the earlier one. There is no point in My coming to see him." After a few days, he too died.
I had two dogs, Lilly and Billy in the Old Mandir. Jack and Jill were born to Lilly. The two were none other than Ramesh and Suresh come again to stay near Me. One would sleep at my head and the other at My feet. They used to get up at My slightest movement. One day the Queen of Mysore came for Swami's Darshan. She was very orthodox. She got down from her car at Karnatakanagepalli and walked up to Puttaparthi. After his dinner, the driver had to go back to the car. It was dark and he did not know the way. I ordered Jack to show him the way and the driver followed it. The driver slept in the car while Jack slept under the car. The next morning when the driver started the car, he ran over Jack's spine. From there, Jack dragged itself through the river towards the Mandir. The washerman, Subbanna, who used to look after the Mandir, told me that for some reason Jack was coming whining. I replied that I knew and walked up to the Mandir gate. Crying aloud, Jack fell at My feet and gave up its life. Jack was buried behind the Mandir. Jill too passed away after a few days. I built a Samadhi for them and planted a Tulasi plant over it. It remained for a long time. When I was at Bangalore recently, in order to extend the Kalyana Mandapam, the engineers razed it. Thus after spending their next lives as dogs, they finally merged in Me. Those who believe in Me shall have no dearth of anything.
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>From Sai Baba's description of the "deaths" of his dogs Jack and Jill ( when the queen was visiting him), it is obvious that this was during the days when there were no roads to Puttaparthi (because the queen's driver had to leave the car on the opposite side of the river bank). This is most likely in the mid 1950s.
Some questions immediately come to mind :
1. IF those two boys who had died in 1940, had "merged with Sai Baba" as he tells Hislop in the early 1970s, How were they reborn at all, and that too as dogs ??
The theory of reincarnation clearly does not hold good for "merged" souls, as merging itself means "no more births or deaths". Further, only in very severe cases of extremely bad karma, would a human being be reborn as an animal. The reverse order of birth into lower species hardly ever happens, and this is further impossible in the case of "blessed souls" especially if they had "merged".
Also, note that of these boys had in deed really been reborn as dogs and had died under car wheels in the mid 1950s, there is no mention of it by Sai Baba in the early 1970s to Hislop, even though Hislop specifically asks Sai Baba "Those childhood companions , they must have been quite special. Was their further destiny unusual also ?" to which Sai Baba replies " they merged in me". No mention of anything like "they were reborn as dogs 15-20 years back and then they merged......." or anything like that.
This "new story" of Jack and Jill being the two boys is clearly an invention of Sai Baba in October 2000, and like in most of his other lies, Sai Baba just forgot what he had told Hislop in the early 1970s.
These lies clearly show the devious nature of Sai Baba, and obviously a liar CANNOT be the "avatar"
Hari Sampath.
George at Sunrise 1047
07-28-2001 10:08 PM
Cock & Bull, the victims would have to contact us first. Hari has more personal contact with victims and has been with the expose' effort from the beginning. We're relative "late comers."
Cock & Bull 1046
07-28-2001 10:02 PM
Dear Hari & George
May i take the liberty of making a suggestion.In your respective websites,is it possible to have either Audio or Video clippings from Victims narrating the incidents,provided the victims agree to it.I think many ex believers of Raju including myself would be even more motivated in the campaign of exposing Raju of his Paedophlic Activities.Thanks.
George at Sunrise 1045
07-28-2001 09:42 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 09:44 PM
O.K., everyone. The two "breaking news" items are up on Sunrise: Hari Sampath's ssb quotes about kundalini (message #1000 here) along with an excerpt from the Nelson resignation letter about the sai org statements regarding kundalini.
Then we have a new lettter from an ex-student in the ssb institutions. He confirms the stories and explains why victims aren't more vocal. We've given him a reply suggesting how he and his fellow ex-students could make a big difference in the expose. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise BREAKING NEWS on the Links page
Cock & Bull 1044
07-28-2001 09:07 PM
Dear SS
If you go to Raju and ask him about Kundalini,you can bet,that he will come up with a totally new version contrary to what he has said to Sandweiss,His lap ,etc.Raju when he got the news that Laurence Gardner thru his research was able to establish the birth dates of Jesus Christ,promptly Raju in his Christmas discourse stated it,as if he is a Trikala Gyani.Raju even when he was a kid,made Ramesh and Suresh die.The only folly was those guys found out what A..Hole Raju was,and continues to be.In fact Premananda who came from Sri Lanka to Tamil Nadu,bears a very close resemblance not only physiacally but also in the tricking department of fooling people.Premananda is in Jail,hopefully Raju will also be put behind bras.
Cock & Bull 1043
07-28-2001 08:48 PM
Dear Dr.S.S.
Thank you for deducing that i have very low IQ.As a matter of fact,i am just wondering whether i should give my good friend V.Prabhakaran a call and tell him about your affairs.Anyway which Medical school did you pass out?Don't get offended and leave the board in a huff.We sure like some joker's around,cause this Kundalini is rising serpentine proportions in the board and i genuinely hope you don't get excited like Raju and start doing things like Raju has been indulging, with your patients.But then we have our Shri Hari Sampath to do the Rudra Tandava on the Snake Raju to put him behind bars with his wonderful expose's.Saba revenge is a strong emotion.Try Shraddha & Saburi from the Original Sai Baba from Shirdi.
Hari Sampath 1042
07-28-2001 07:33 PM
To George :
Please feel free to use whatever I post .
The first reference was from "Conversations with Sathya sai Baba" by John Hislop. Copyright held by Sathya Sai books and publications Prashanthi Nilayam, and published by Birthday publishing company, San Diego.
The recent referenceI had given is from "Spirit and the Mind" by Samuel Sandweiss. Copyright : Sam Sandweiss , and Non American publication by Sathya Sai books and Trust , Prashanthi Nilayam.
Hari Sampath.
Hari Sampath 1041
07-28-2001 07:28 PM
To Dr Siva :
I ask you just ONE question :
Show me any one reference by Sai Baba that proves that kundalini shakthi can be raised by physically massaging the genitals of young men.
And IF at all you can show me that, then please refr to this following paragraph by the same Sam Sandweiss in "Spirit and the Mind" : page 291 :
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If Kundalini is prematurely awakened before moral control is attained, there is a danger of stimulating the negative aspects. It is said that it is indeed far better for kundalini to remain dormant at the base of the spine until the individual has made definite moral development---until his will is strong enough to control the energy and his thoughts pure enough to face the awakening without any injury. Because if kundalini is aroused prematurely and without proper inner controls and moral fortitude, the energy may pass uncontrolled to excite the most undesirable passions--exciting them and intensifying their effects to such a degree that it becomes impossible for man to resist them.It may intensify evrything in (one's) nature , and it reaches the lower and evil qualities more readily than the good.
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Considering that Sanweiss ( with the blessings of Sai Baba) has dwelt at length on this subject as above, a few questions come to mind.
1. Was Sai Baba trying to "raise" the kundalini energy of these young boys by kissing them, oiling their genitals, and also asking them to perform oral sex ?
2. All Sai devotees explain this as "adjusting their kundalini" because these young men had severe and bad karmic effects, Sai Baba was doing this to "help" them. But if these people were in such a stage of development so as to have "severe karmic effects" due to their past actions, then the question of raising their kunadalini hardly arises as they would be the last persons whose kundalini should be raised ( from the above report on kundalini in Sandweiss' book) as these young men are nowhere close to that stage of "moral purity" which is necessary for kundalini raising.
3. Sai Baba himself had spoken to each of these young men about their "bad thoughts", and "thinking too much about girls" etc as he was doing this ritual of touching , massaging and oiling , so we have the most direct evidence from Sai Baba that there is no question of these people being "eligible" for kundalini raising or in any state of readiness.
4. Now, if we are to assume that Sai Baba was NOT raising their kundalini, then he must have been lowering the kundalini. This is again impossible as how will the kundalini of young men "with bad thoughts" and "severe sexual karma" , ever rise in the first place ??? kundalini will only be raised by control, and if these young men were having so much "bad sexual karma" , and "bad thoughts about girls" etc, then there is no way their kundalini shakthi could have ever been raised.
taken together, all this proves that whatever "kundalini explanation" that the Sai Baba devotees give for all these sexual molestations, it doesn't hold up, no matter from what angle you approach it.
Additionally , we have two more important points :
1. Sai Baba has categorically stated that there is no such thing as kundalini shakthi rising up the spine. ( it is for the devotees to explain this)
2. Sai Baba has NEVER once said anything about kundalini raising by sexual touching. If this was indeed the case at all ( which it cannot be , even applying kundalini logic) then Sai Baba could very well announce it. As he hasn't even referred to this, we should conclude that this is not the case.
So it is just ordinary sexual encounters.
Hari Sampath.
MarsWalker108 1040
07-28-2001 07:23 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 07:26 PM
(Continued from #1039)
A small extract will be provided from his comments concerning Ch X, Verse 28 (p 791):
"Among weapons, I am thunderblot; of bovines, I am Kamadhuk (the celestial cow that fulfils all desires). I am Kandarpa (the pesonified creative consciousness), the cause of childbirths; and I am VASUKI among serpents."
P 793: The coiled creative force at the base of the astral spine, KUNDALINI, has always been symbolized as a serpent. When this creative force is "alseep" in delusion, it flows down and outward and feeds all senses; uncontrolled. Its stinging venon causes insatiable lusts. But when the pure kundalini force is "awakened" by the yogi, it rises to the brain and is transformed into the bliss of Spirit. This uplifting serpertine current is VASUKI, the spreme force for human liberation." Love, MarsWalker108 (Continued next post) MarsWalker108 1039
07-28-2001 06:56 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 07:02 PM
Concerning Ch 7, Verse 24 (P740):
"Fire, light, daytime, the bright half of the lunar month, the six months of the northern course of the sun--pursuring this path at the time of departure, the knowers of God go to God."
P 741: Stanza 24 states that the yogi who attains liberation must follow the path of "fire." Here "fire" means the life energy, the KUNDALINI power. The devotee's first scientific step toward emancipation is to gain control of his life force. In ordinary men the course of prana is downward, "the way of darkness" ......
In the successful yogi, on the other hand, the course of prana is upward, "the way of light," Bu yoga he reverses tje direction of the flow and is able to concentrate the whole of lhis life force within the brain, in the "sun" of Cosmic Consciousness. In this way God is revealed........
Love MarsWalker108 (Continued next post)
George at Sunrise 1038
07-28-2001 06:28 PM
To Hari Sampath:
Hari, could you please post the information I requested in post #1026?
Deletion #1034 1037
07-28-2001 06:21 PM
Dr. Siva, if you want to post on this board, you will have to cut out your sarcasm and insults to baord members. We have no intention of being dragged down to the level of some of the Yahoo boards.
You won't be convincing any person of ssb's virtue if they have to judge by the tone of your posts.
We have no objection to polite and considerate posts. Why not try one?
Dr. Sabapathy Siva 1036
07-28-2001 06:18 PM
REPLY TO SAMPATH;
I just read your posting 1000..after the long one I just posted in reply to Terrie. There is a chapter. 'THE CADUCEUS' in Sandweiss's book, ' Holy man and the Psychiatrist' where Kundalini is discussed in relation to SB's concept on this. Could you comment on this in comparison to your following reference.? As far as SB hasn't said anything about rising kundalini by oral sex which is only the answer given by some for the allegation which by itself remain to be proven, it is futile to labour on this.
>Post #1000:
>SAI BABA AND KUNDALINI :
>From "Conversations with Sathya Sai Baba: John Hislop"
>Hari Sampath 1035
07-28-2001 05:50 PM
Dr Siva :
All the points you mentioned about the difficulties of prosecuting Sai Baba are valid.
I am perfectly aware of this, and I am working towards it.
Only time will tell you how far we get, please wait and watch. I cannot say more now.
Hari Sampath
Dr. Sabapathy Siva 1033
07-28-2001 05:38 PM
Dear C/B;
sO JULY 7, 1945...AT WHAT TIME AND WHERE...? Amazing intution...pl.don't reveal your I.Q.anymore...
At 06:07 PM 27/07/01 -0500, you wrote:
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Hari Sampath 1032
07-28-2001 05:17 PM
To Newbie : ref post # 921
I am sorry newbie, due to the other discussions, I couldn't elaborate on the point you raised.
>>Kumar, was also known as a brutal murderer (a serial killer). And his doings should be very well known to you. Are you afraid to speak about him?
If you were in security during those years you would certainly have all the details. He was known and feared by all. <<
As I was NOT in the ashram security between 1982 and 1987, I have no way of knowing Kumar who was Sai Baba's right hand security man as mentioned by you.
In any case if Sai Baba had a dreaded seriel killer as his right hand security man , it establishes what we are saying all along about Sai Baba , right ???
>>There was another serial killer (now himself deceased) who was a retired police chief from a large city in AP. Ring any bells??<<
The only bell it rings is that ALL of Sai Baba's security and top police people seem to have similar resumes for the job :-) and all of them seem to have attained "moksha" by the "grace" of Sai Baba.
>>During you tenure with the security goons did you personally kill anyone, or know of people being sumarilly put to death in the admin bldg. up on the hill?? <<
I assure you that all I ever killed at the ashram was a few mosquitoes, probably that is why I didn't get promoted as Sai baba's personal security guard .
I had not known of any suspicious murders in the time I was there (between 1992 and 1995), except of course the famous June 6th 1993 incident, discussed in detail elsewhere.
In the early 1980's a cook in the service of a Bangalore based SB devotees' family, was asked by SB to be his second driver, and after a few years, his body was found without its head behind the hill.
Another person from Andhra was also the second driver earlier (I don't know the time period) , and his body was found burnt a few miles from the ashram.
All I can say is if I were an insurance agent, I would ask Sai Baba drivers and Sai Baba personal security people to pay a fat premium for their life insurance policy, as I know that I would have to write a fat check fairly soon :-)
Hari Sampath.
MarsWalker108 1031
07-28-2001 04:18 PM
(Continued from#1030)
Yogananda sometimes mentioned a historical and literal interpretation of the Gita. But he indicated the Gita was very much symbolic.
For example in Ch 1, verse 6 (p57): "The strong Yudhamanjar, the valiant Uttamaujas, the son of Subhadra, and the SONS OF DRAUPADI--all lords of great chariots."
P 78: "Draupadi is the daughter of Drupada (Extreme Dispassion). She represents the spirtual power of feeling of KUNDALINI....... When kundalini is lifed upward, it is "wedded" to the five Prandavas (the creative vibratory elements of consciousness in the fives spinal centers), and thereby gives birth to five sons.
The sons of Draupadi are the manifestations of the five opened or awakened spinal centers....
P 727: "The yogi wholin life or at death withdraws his life force from the senses and focuses it in the single eye finds himself in a joyful state of breathlessness. He thrills to see streams of prana rolling backward from the countless cells and ascending the spinal tunnel through the coiled stairway (kundalini), out from the single-eye passage in the forehead into a subile astral body."
Love, MarsWalker108 (Continued next post)
MarsWalker108 1030
07-28-2001 03:51 PM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 03:56 PM
Dear All(including Dr. K),
I have been reading the discussions about kundalini. Paramahansa Yogananda has also been mentioned. Although I embrace his Kriya Yoga teachings and believe him to be a jagadguru, my purpose of quoting him is not to promote him, but to compare and contrast his words and actions with SSB. PY has come to be recognized as one of the preeminent spiriutual figures of out time. I hope to give indications of him helping to directly raising the kundalini of disciples.
Unless otherwise stated, the following quotes of Yogananda are from his translation and commentary, "God Talks With Arjuna: The Bhagavad Gita, SRF 1995.
P 18: .....Of primary importance is the coccygeal center.All the subtle powers of consciousness and life force at work in the higher centers come into physical manifestation through the channel of the coccygeal center.
Matter appears in five varietes ....... as the live force flows outward from the coccyx, creaating and sustaining the traits of flesh, bones, blood, and so forth..... At the command of lthe yogi in deep meditation, this creative force turns inward and flows back to its sourse in the thousand-petaled lotus .... Yoga refers to this power flowing from the coccyx to Spirt as the AWAKENED KUNDALINI.
Love, MarsWalker108 (Continured next post)
Terrie 1029
07-28-2001 03:45 PM
Ref #1028
Thanks Cock & Bull! Right on!!
Cock & Bull 1028
07-28-2001 01:55 PM
Dear Terrie
You had mentioned about how your daughter's view vary from yours regarding Raju who constantly contradicts his own statements time and again,i thought i would post this.:)
The Images of Mother, according to her kids: 4 YEARS OF AGE ~ My Mommy can do anything!
8 YEARS OF AGE ~ My Mom knows a lot! A whole lot!
12 YEARS OF AGE ~ My Mother doesn't really know quite everything.
14 YEARS OF AGE ~ Naturally, Mother doesn't know that, either.
16 YEARS OF AGE ~ Mother? She's hopelessly old-fashioned.
25 YEARS OF AGE ~ Well, she might know a little bit about it.
35 YEARS OF AGE ~ Before we decide, let's get Mom's opinion.
45 YEARS OF AGE ~ Wonder what Mom would have thought about it?
65 YEARS OF AGE ~ Wish I could talk it over with Mom.
Cock & Bull 1027
07-28-2001 01:35 PM
Hari & Terrie
Congratulations.Had it not been for the slugging match,i doubt Hari would have been inspired to reveal more of exposing the swine Raju(So,Terrie do keep egging Hari. :)).Just for the records,the guy who posted about explicit slokhas,actually Hari you are right.Its from Iscon litreature but not from Srimad Bhgavatham,but from Brahma Samhitas.Anyways,Kundalini thingy really started of well yesterday for me at least.
George at Sunrise 1026
07-28-2001 01:01 PM
Hari Sampath,
Can you please give the full copyright information for your breakthrough quote below? (Copied from message #1000, posted yesterday.) Is this the American edition of the book or the edition published by the SSB Central Trust? The Trust edition has all the conversations with Hislop in one book.
Your post will be on Sunrise under "Breaking News." The full kundalini discussion from this board will be posted under "Discussion from the boards."
Coincidentally (?) last night we also received a momentous e-mail from a former sai student. This will be posted on Sunrise if he gives his permission.
Things are happening....
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Post #1000:
SAI BABA AND KUNDALINI :
Terrie, since you specifically asked if kundalini awakening was being done by Sai Baba to the young men whom he sexually touches, here are Sai Baba's positions on the kundalini concept :
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>From "Conversations with Sathya Sai Baba: John Hislop"
Page 134..
Sai : Kundalini shakthi is balance in mind and action.
Hislop: But Swami, kundalini yoga is supposed to mean the kundalini power rising up the spine
Sai : That is not real. It is just speeches. People claim this happening and boast about it. It is big ego.
Hislop : Does Swami mean that there is no kundalini power or energy that starts at the base of the spine and rises up the spine ?
Sai : There is no such thing. That is just big talk and big ego
Page 139....
Hislop :But Swami, how about the idea that the snake of kundalini awakens at the base of the spine and awakens each chakra as it rises up ?
Sai : That energy is prana. It is imagined as rising up the spine by the practice of pranayama. The practice of pranayama is dangerous unless all circumstances are exactly correct. It is not necessary and Swami advises aginst it.
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It appears that even Sai Baba doesn't really contribute to the concept of kundalini, and in fact seems to completely disagree that the kundalini power rises up the spine etc... he even says he doesn't advise pranayama for awakening kundalini.
When this is the case, how can Sai Baba devotees claim that Sai Baba is raising "kundalini" of the young men he has sex with ??
These statements of Sai Baba himself rule out this explanation from the SB devotees !!
Hari Sampath
George at Sunrise 1025
07-28-2001 11:40 AM
Edited by author 07-28-2001 11:44 AM
Andries, thank you also for your comments about Christianity. The modern picture is very different from what it was 20 or 30 years ago.
Even though I am a Christian, during my trips to India I felt completely comfortable in the Hindu temples, joining in the pujas, etc.
Yes, I am a member of SRF, Yogananda's organization, which sub-titles itself, "Church of All Religions." In 30 years as a member (many of them when I was also a ssb devotee), I was never coerced in any way. I was simply on the mailing list for the organization and was invited to the Kriaya Yoga initiations at the temples. No one is invited to the Kriya initiations unless they have first completed a course of study with SRF, which I did in the '70s.
George at Sunrise 1024
07-28-2001 11:30 AM
Sarf,
You obviously know little about Christianity and rely for your information on the extreme comments of fundamentalist Christian groups. Hari has given a fine posting on "I am the Way," and there is no need for me to comment further on the meaning of that passage. Also it is true that many Christians doubt whether Jesus actually said these words.
Sarf, you should realize that Christianity is not a monolith. Most Christian groups including Roman Catholics, long ago gave up the idea that "Jesus is the only way" . There are, however, degrees in Christianity. Unitarians see nothing special in Christianity while Roman Catholics believe Jesus is the main way, though other ways (by the Grace of God) will get a person to salvation.
I have been a Christian my whole life (off and on) and know it well. I am presently a licenced lay minister of a major denomination. A few years ago I accompanied a well known leader of the Divine Life Society (headed by Swami Chidananda) to the United Religions Initiative in San Francisco. The Initiative was founded by the Right Rev. William Swing, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of California.There in fellowship, we discussed and meditated with the Christian leadership. I could give numerous instances of contacts between main line Christians and Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems, etc.
You need to educate yourself so that you speak from knowledge rather than ignorance.
With Love,
George at Sunrise