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Hari Sampath 928
07-27-2001 12:01 PM
To newbie
>>You said you wer there in the security detail from 82 - 87, I believe<<
No, I was there from 1992 to 1995.
Check everywhere I vave written.
Chiranjeevi Rao is not even on the Central trust
SAISHOOT 926
07-27-2001 09:25 AM
Reply to Hari Sampath reg CBI Petition;
CBI doesn't act on e mail petitions sent on by one Harry from Chicago to a retired Raghavan who is said to have received it on the eve of his retirement or one day after his retirement...what a pathetic situation Harry..you've been turned down by the US consilates in Chennai and Delhi as there were no complaints against SB and was directed to seek legal advice...ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR PETTITION DOESN'T MEAN AN ACTION IS COMMENCED..THE NEWS HAS IT THAT Raghavan is a devotee of SB...good luck...
newbie 921
07-27-2001 02:45 AM
Edited by author 07-27-2001 02:49 AM
Hari Sampath:
You said you wer there in the security detail from 82 - 87, I believe, that is why I asked. Chirenjeevi Rao, is now Swami's personal secretary and commander and chief of the ashram.
Kumar, was also known as a brutal murderer (a serial killer). And his doings should be very well known to you. Are you afraid to speak about him? If you were in security during those years you would certainly have all the details. He was known and feared by all.
There was another serial killer (now himself deceased) who was a retired police chief from a large city in AP. Ring any bells??
During you tenure with the security goons did you personally kill anyone, or know of people being sumarilly put to death in the admin bldg. up on the hill??
Hari Sampath 920
07-27-2001 02:34 AM
To Newbie :
1. I assume you mean Chiranjeevi Rao.
Not a real heavy wieght when compared to various important central trust members, with regards to power etc. He can be called a middle level operative, with reasonable "local" influence. I do not know much in terms of his "faith" or history of doings, but he is rather influential in the Sai Baba circles.
I do not know enough to say if he is an active partcipant in the Sai Baba fraud or not, my personal guess (and this is only a guess) would be that he HAS to know of all the real happenings, by virtue of the time he has spent there.
2. Kumar : I was not a Sai Baba follower at the time he was there, only "heard" about him, and really nothing much I can say.
Hari Sampath
2.
newbie 919
07-27-2001 01:45 AM
Edited by author 07-27-2001 01:47 AM
To Hari Sampath,
What can you tell us about the following people at PN, their power, positions, and history of their doings there, etc.
1. Charan Jivi Rao
2. Kumar (was a heavyweight security goon from '83 till his death from lockjaw about '87)
Hari Sampath 918
07-27-2001 01:13 AM
Reply to Sarf : # 908
>>Hari, checked out your site. Well done. Its good to have all your 'evidence' and 'exposes' in one place. I especially liked all those videos; now how about some bhajans :) <<
Thanks very much Sarf, I appreciate it. These videos are good, but wait till you see what else we are planning to upload...
I love listening to Bhajans, several Sai Baba organization Bhajans are great, but I am afraid this website is hardly the place for it.
As for a place for pro Sai Baba devotees to disagree with us, it is there.
Follow the link to the discussions coard, and it will take you to the yahoo club sathyasaibabadiscussion club , which is moderated by Said.
Any post that is not offensive, rude, or vulgar, and does not post spam material like SB speeches etc will be allowed. You could state reasons for believing Sai Baba to be god, as long as you stick to the topic.
I wonder if SB will alllow me such freedom in Sanathana Sarathi ?? Why all that, would Goran allow me that freedom in the saibaba tahoo club ? why not ? are followers scared that they will lose their faiths ?
Hari Sampath.
Dragonslayer 917
07-27-2001 01:09 AM
This is my first posting. I have, however, been reviewing the postings for some time. I'm an ex-devotee, but I was a devotee for many years. I left for lots of reasons... among them the corruption and dishonesty I saw at the ashram (which I found shocking) and the letter of the 15 year old California boy which an ex-devotee mailed to me. Also I talked with ex-devotees who had molestation experiences.
I want to thank Anthony for his fine job. Also I have found that most of those who contribute are serious, thought provoking, fair, and loving.
It is sad that one or more "Pro Sai Baba" people post senseless posts and seem intent on spamming the site. To this person or persons I would say this: If I was undecided, your unruly and destructive and cruel remarks would convince me that the Sai movement is sinister, dishonest, and cult like. I am sure many Sai devotees are sincere and good people, although misled and betrayed. But you spanners are kooks, or this is a conspiracy to attempt to destroy this "Battle for Righteousness" as Sunrise describes it.
Truth and Justice will Prevail!
Love,
Dragonslayer
sarf 916
07-27-2001 12:25 AM
Glen meloy:
"You seem to have the resources to take the time to post on this site, so what is the cost involved for you to read victim testimonies posted on various sites? Heaven forbid you would ever invest in a phone call to the Father of the boy who was molested 25 times so you could hear first hand what happened to his son.
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I have read all the 'accounts' and all the 'esposes'. I was only objecting to your suggestion that I talk to these people. Why is that necessary?
Doesnt their account say it all already?
Have you read all the accounts where devotees testify to the Divinity of SB?
They are much more numerous, dont you agree?
It comes down to who you want to believe? Those who believe in SB are not forcing their beliefs on you are they? Its you are campaigning to convince others to believe as you do. So, the burden of proof is on YOU. Where is the proof? In which court of law have you proved that SB is a molestor?
Glen Meloy 914
07-27-2001 12:12 AM
Dear Sarf (Post # 913)
"The claim that he is doing kundalini yoga came from the pro-devotee side of the fence. "
<<So what? Thats just his claim. SB himself does not teach Kundalini Yoga nor does the Sai Org. The claim is baseless speculation>>
Then I suggest you inform all the pro-devotees of this fact so that they don't use it as an excuse for their avatar's criminal behavior..
"Since you are questioning whether oral sex is involved, can we assume you are willing to pursue a search for the truth by at least reading the victim's testimonies and also contacting them?
If not, then your question is not sincere."
<<Do you think every joe blow has the time or resources to do what you suggest?>>
Isn't it interesting the language you use to describe yourself and your fellow devotees? Does your God teach you that way to communicate?
You seem to have the resources to take the time to post on this site, so what is the cost involved for you to read victim testimonies posted on various sites? Heaven forbid you would ever invest in a phone call to the Father of the boy who was molested 25 times so you could hear first hand what happened to his son.
Have you read any of the growing number of media stories about your Guru's molesting history with innocent boys and young men?
<<If YOU were sincere, you would present your evidence in a real court of law, not disseminate un-proven slander on the internet.>>
Sarf, it's not slander unless it's a false statement.
<< What are you afraid of? Are you like Terrie who was warning others to watch out for my arguments since I sounded like a 'trained lawyer' (i am not)?>>
What would give us cause for fear when we are on the side of truth?
Well you know what your Guru says about lawyers.
<< Why the fear for probing, rational questions if you sincerely believe in your cause?>>
Whether your questions are rational could certainly be debated if one chose to spend time doing so.
As for myself, unless you are willing to read the readily available testimonies and media accounts about the molestations and actually talk to several of the victims, I will choose NOT to respond to you or your fellow devotees, because obviously your minds are closed and you are not sincere about learning the real truth.
Many of us have chosen to inform the devotees why we left the organization and to warn unsuspecting parents of the danger involved if they allow their children to be alone in the interview room. If the devotees choose to ignore those warnings, they do so at their own peril.
<<By the way Glen, do you also post as Marswalker?>>
I post in my own name .
Will we ever be able to say the same for you?
On the Yahoo Board, it has always been my name and as yesontruth.
Glen Meloy
Glen Meloy 911
07-26-2001 10:42 PM
Dear Sarf (Post # 909)
You stated...
<<As far as I know, SB does not teach kundalini yoga>>
The claim that he is doing kundalini yoga came from the pro-devotee side of the fence.
<<Raising the serpent power in a human being thru yoga is a old science in india called kundalini yoga.swami did that to the young boys and much has been misunderstood>>
If this is such an old science and is being used by ssb, show us the historical precedent documents.
Since you are questioning whether oral sex is involved, can we assume you are willing to pursue a search for the truth by at least reading the victim's testimonies and also contacting them?
If not, then your question is not sincere.
Glen Meloy
A Sparrow 910
07-26-2001 10:17 PM
Hari, wonderful job.
Michelle, thank you so much! I tried to email a thanks to you but for some reason it couldn't be delivered, so I hope that you see this.
Well, folks, things are looking up!
sarf 908
07-26-2001 10:07 PM
Hari, checked out your site. Well done. Its good to have all your 'evidence' and 'exposes' in one place. I especially liked all those videos; now how about some bhajans :)
And how about a page where those who disagree with your views can say why?
Another suggestion: how about short bios of all the prominent figures that are active against SB, including their pics? You can start with yourself and Said. We already know quite a bit about you two (except what you look like).
Cant understand though why you are spending so much time and energy on someone whom you keep dismissing as a 'complete non-entity'...
Did you time the release of your site to coincide with the Salon.com article? Clever thinking. You are learning the American way, Hari; maybe you have a future in Madison Aveenue?
BTW, I bet your partner Said must be thrilled beyond words. FINALLY, an expose has taken him seriously enough to mention him (in the very front page even!). His cup must be filling over!
Terrie 907
07-26-2001 10:02 PM
Edited by author 07-26-2001 10:04 PM
Very well said, Glen. Thank you. I'm happy you're finding time to post on this board. Your voice should be heard here more often.
Glen Meloy 906
07-26-2001 09:36 PM
In the deleted post # 904, Dr. T. Venkatramalu stated ....
<<Raising the serpent power in a human being thru yoga is a old science in india called kundalini yoga.swami did that to the young boys and much has been misunderstood>>
This seems to be part of the propaganda campaign on the part of many pro devotees to justify the molestations.
I would ask them to show us documented historical vedic or other written proof (not speculations or dreams) wherein Lord Jesus, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna , Lord Buddha or any other supreme deity or Sat Guru advocated and actually engaged in criminal sexual molestation acts like those attributed to ssb
Let's see authentic documentation that verifies that kundalini raising or bad karma stopping requires the devotee to perform oral sex on the avatar.
Surely any real God could preform a kundalini raising by merely a glance of his eyes or the raising of his hand in a blessing mode..
What's really going on here is bribery with money and gifts and the false promising of educational benefits in return for personal sexual gratification.
Re: Deletions 903
07-26-2001 08:32 PM
To repeat Anthony's message about the purpose of this board:
This board is for legitimate discussion between people who have left the clutches of 'sb' and those who genuinely have doubts about him. It is not for pro 'sb' devotees who are not anywhere near contemplating that the guy is a fraud. There are lots of pro 'sb' boards and discussions and meetings for those people to attend and speak at and we suggest that is what you do.
If you ever reach the point where you start to see the truth, then please return for any assistance we may be able to give you. If you never have doubts about the guy, then may God (the real God) bless you and hold you in his care - whenever you choose to allow that.We all wish you well. All rubbish and attacks that are not contributing to this board, will be deleted.
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On this board we haven't had any problems with profanity involving Rkmsr and his alias identities. Those matters belong on the Yahoo boards where Rkmsr places his posts. Please don't detract from the purpose of this board by posting Yahoo matters here. Thank you.
Hari Sampath 901
07-26-2001 08:06 PM
>>>The CBI does not entertain anonymous / pseudonymous complaints.<<<
I am well aware of this. I had spoken to the Number 1 CBI chief directly and had acted according to his specific instructions.
A 123 page complaint was sent to the personal attention of the Director of the Central Bureau of Investigation, India, Dr RK Raghavan. Dr Raghavan (who retired on April 30th 2001) has personally accepted the complaint, and has also sent me an acknowledgement.
Here is the text of that :
>>Dear Dr Raghavan,
Thank you very much for acknowledging the receipt of my complaint against Sathya Sai Baba. I appreciate it.
Regards,
Hari Sampath
-----Original Message-----
From: dcbi
Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:03:10 +0530
To: harisampath@hotmail.com
My dear Sampath,
Please refer to your email dated 27th March, 2001. I acknowledge the receipt of your complaint against Satya Shri Sai Baba.
With best wishes
Yours sincerely,
R.K. Raghavan
Director, CBI,
New Delhi
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Hari Sampath 899
07-26-2001 07:58 PM
Salon.com letters to the editor..
http://www.salon.com/people/letters/2001/07/26/baba/index.html
To Hari Sampath From CBI 898
07-26-2001 07:51 PM
http://cbi.nic.in/complaints1.htm
The CBI does not entertain anonymous / pseudonymous complaints.
The CBI does not take up investigation of conventional crimes unless directed by the Supreme Court / High Courts or referred by State Governments. This is because "police" is a State subject under the Indian Constitution and the basic jurisdiction to investigate crimes is that of State police. The CBI's power to investigate cases is derived from the Delhi Special Police Establishment Act. The CBI can investigate the offences notified under this Act in the Union Terrotories and with the consent of State Governments, in the States. Besides, since the CBI is a small force, administratively also it has not been considered expedient for the CBI to investigate the conventional crimes unless directed by the Supreme Court/High Courts or referred by State Governments.
Hari Sampath 896
07-26-2001 07:34 PM
To answer some questions raised here :
>>>Dear Hari Sampath,
Hari, regarding your reference in the salon.com article to the Supreme Court Action in India, could you please tell all of us how this came about and exactly what are you asking the court to do?
1) Are you the sole petitioner?
2) What action has been taken to date?
3) Is there a case number?
4) Is there a way to track the progress of the case on the internet?
5) What can we ex-devotees do to help? <<<
The story behind the Supreme court case is a long one, and the history behind it is a CBI complaint given by me against Sai Baba.
I shall be putting out all the details very soon on the website http://www.sathyasaivictims.com
1.Yes, I am the sole petitioner.
2. Supreme Court has asked me to approach the appropriate forum with the petition.
3. Yes , there is a case number allotted.
4. No. There is no way at present to follow online the progress of Supreme court cases. We have to rely on conventional media.
5. Yes. A large number of ex devotees have been helping with this cause by providing material , testimonies etc . A greater help would be to spread the word about this matter, as we need all the publicity we can get.
Thanks,
Hari Sampath.
Hari Sampath 895
07-26-2001 07:12 PM
A SPECIAL THANKS TO AFSHIN KORRAMSHAHGOL:.
I would like to specially thank Afshin , not just for the effort on this site, but also for almost single handedly carrying on the expose of Sai Baba since 1995/6 on various newsgroups and e-forums.
It was not a particularly easy thing to do. Today, even after Sai Baba's pedophilia is well known all over the world, and after many victims have come forward, and after several media stories, and govt related developments, still many SB devotees do not even think it is possible.
Years back, when he was almost alone, and after being molested by Sai Baba, Afshin made a decision that he will not rest till Sai Baba was exposed. Jed Geyerhahn was the other person who was talking about it openly, and not a lot of people believed them then.
Afshin put up a website, for those who do not know, myfreeoffice.com/saibabaexposed (prophetically, his site already decided that Sai Baba would be exposed :-) )
This was the first major expose website .
This was one of Afshin's initial posts, when he replied to me on David Lane's Yahoo club. Please note that every single thing he has mentioned, like India Today, 'a christmas present for sai baba" , all have been done with enormous success.
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Re: It is time for action... la_quake
11/3/99 3:54 pm
delta_108, hi, would you be willing to put all documents online? You can either put this information on my anti-Sai Baba web site or create your own web site. I can help you to create your own web site. The internet has played a major role in getting the word out in regards to the dark side of Sai Baba. When I got online 4 or more years ago, there wasn't any negative information about Sai Baba anywhere. The people in newsgroups and forums were generally accepting Sai Baba. But now, anytime Sai Baba's name comes up in any newsgroup, there is someone who points out that he is a charlatan, that he cheats on his "miracles" and that he sexually molests young boys.
So, as a first step, I think it is a great idea to put your documents online. As far as a next step goes, we could probably work together with some Indian newspapers to publish these documents or at least follow up on them. It would be great to persuade some of those individuals that you talked about to come out and talk and I think these Indian newspapers could help us out in this regards. At the very least, these individuals could give an anonymous interview to these newspapers. What do you think? What does everyone else think? I am ready to work with anyone as a group to try to show the world the real side of Sai Baba.
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Re: VIP devotee leaves Sai Baba la_quake 11/3/99 4:11 pm
sainath, the movie "God lives in India" has 4-5 footages of him cheating.
They are all clear and close shots and are an eye opener. The movie has two separate segments that show Sai Baba cheat. The first segment has some 3 shots and the next segment has the first 3 shots from the first segment and an extra 2-3 shots. Keep your eyes on his hands only and you won't miss the two segments. There is one shot in this movie which is very interesting.
Here I will explain how it is:
Sai Baba has some letters in his left hand. He has leaned forward to talk to a devotee. The camera has been focused on his hands and so it is a very close-up shot. Sai Baba moves his right hand under the left hand. He clearly gets something from the left hand. He then gets the letters by the right hand also and proceeds to clean his left hand as if he is cleaning the dust that is covering his left palm. He then gets the letters back from the right hand and proceeds to circle his right hand and low and behold, he creates some "holy" ash. This is a very close up picture and the events in this footage and the fact that Sai Baba cleans his left hand as if he is cleaning some dust off makes it a very important expose of his "materialization". One of the newspaper editors that is very interested in seeing these movies is the very popular "India Today" which is read by the Indians all over India and abroad. So, I think a big expose is on the way once these newspapers print pictures from these movies.
The other movie -- the Korean one -- is in my hands. I just don't have the money to pay for converting them and I don't even have the money for sending them. Right now I have $30 for spending until the 15th, so I am sorry that I can't get it to you right now. I probably won't be able to do anything until December 15th. If you think that it is better to send both movies together, then we can wait until mid-December and give a big surprise to Sai Baba for his Christmas celebrations. Hopefully we can make a dent in their "expected income" prospects for Christmas. What do you think?
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When Michelle Goldberg contacted me from India about the Sai Baba story a few days back, I at once decided that Afshin and Jed are the two people who need to be on that story.
Once again, Thanks Afshin for everything.
Love,
Hari Sampath.
Cock & Bull 894
07-26-2001 06:58 PM
Dear Hari
Best Of Luck And May The Lord Of Seven Hills Always Protect You in Your Endeavors
C & B.
Hari Sampath 893
07-26-2001 06:48 PM
SATHYA SAI VICTIMS
Dear All,
Thank you all for the comments about the new website http://www.sathyasaivictims.com
A lion's share of the credit should go to Afshin for assembling, compiling and uploading all the material.
An interesting bit about the name of the website and how it came about :
It was November 1999, and I had just joined the David Lane Yahoo club.
I had been working on exposing Sai Baba, on an individualk basis, both in India and in the Unites States.
This was the very first message I posted on that club, message # 48.
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It is time for action... delta_108
11/3/99 1:13 pm
I know that a lot of people are so outraged by the whole charade of Sai Baba and his tricks. I myself had been a "devotee", and volunteer in his organisation for many years and had the opportunity to talk to several persons who had been very close to him for several years. I have with me a lot of information about his deceptive deeds, immoral behavior, and so called "miracles". The information I gathered over several years includes first hand reports from students who have spent several months with him in his private chambers. It is consistent with the information available on some popular websites dealing with his show of deception for several decades. I am sure there are a lot of people who want the whole thing exposed in the genuine interests of the true believing devotees. I am equally sure that a lot of people are involved in this effort, although on an individual basis or in such a way that it fails to have any big impact.
The good intentions of such people should not go waste. More importantly no one should walk away with a let-the-fools-get-cheated-so-what attitude.We can and must do something about this as this is getting to ridiculous proportions with its tentacles spreading to the White House, Buckingham palace, United Nations and other seats of world importance. It is the work of the Devil himself, no less. It is huge, well knit, powerful well funded and most importantly with the strength of millions of innocent devotees and their good faiths. It is not an easy task to expose him. I am not sure what specific efforts are being taken in this regard and what is the status of such efforts. I would like to suggest that we all join together under one umbrella, and take concerted efforts towards this goal. If such a movement already exists, I would like to join it with all the resources I have like specific information as also contacts in the inner circles of the ashram who can perhaps be persuaded to come out with the truth if convinced about the eventual success of these efforts and their own safety. Please reply to my message with whatever suggestions you may have.
May Righteous Might Triumph;So Help Us God.
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Afshin , and sainath99 (saiexpose) immediately joined me, and we had a few discussions in the club chatroom, about having an organized plan to expose Sai Baba. Very little did we dream at that point that the Sai Baba expose will reach such big proportions within 2 years with literally tens of thousands of people joining in from all parts of the world.
Afshin asked me on that day, to research and identify a suitable domain name for a possible website, that was easily rememberable, identifiable with Sathya Sai Baba and also clearly specifying what the site was all about.
After considering 3-4 names we found that sathyasaivictims.com was best suited, as we felt that each follower of Sathya Sai Baba , past and present, is a victim of this evil and enormous fraud.
Some are victims of sexual molestation, some mental and emotional victims, many financial victims, and all of the followers are spiritual victims.
Having decided this domain, I proceeded to register it at once, without having any idea of what we will put in that site, or who will join us, or whether the Sai Baba expose will even last one week. All we knew was , we had God's own Truth with us, and we will just keep going on.
David Bailey , Conny Larsson and many many others joined us, so many victims came forward, we all connected, things began to happen, media stories in several countries, TV and Radio shows, etc, and suddenly in a matter of months, it became a worldwide movement in the Sai Baba world, leading to what it is today. Thousands of people from all over the world had given their invaluble contributions to this great effort.
Now, Sai Baba's pedophilia and deception is not spoken of in whispers or hushed tones, nor is it any kind of a secret. It is talked about as a matter of fact, and scarcely does it raise eyebrows. This by itself is a huge success.
Strangely, as I was very actively and busily involved in various aspects of the SB expose in India and the United States, I never got down to actually setting up the website that was first planned. Also, there were several other excellent sites that were serving the purpose of informing the followers and general public about Sai Baba. I really did not have the time nor see the need for another site.
Recently with Keenan being unable to host her site due to time restrictions, there were several requests to Afshin and me to start a website, and we both decided that it was time that sathyasaivictims should be built.
I remember thinking "what shall I put on this site" when I registered it, and also "whether at all anyone will know there is an anti Sai Baba site", and just left it to God.
Today, after nearly two years, when the website has come up, and I look at it, I am sure that I never imagined there will be somuch information available publicly or so many thousands of people across the world would have already known about Sai Baba's fraud and pedophilia.
I am firmly convinced that it is God Almighty who had heard the prayers of all victims of Sai Baba, and decided to bless the efforts to expose Sai Baba.
Love,
Hari Sampath.
A. S. Raman 889
07-26-2001 04:20 PM
In my article "Baba and I' ,I had written : "I have my own doubts and questions". For example, I often ask myself: "Why does Baba allow himself to be surrounded by crooks who wish to institutionalise him? Why does he go about in air- conditioned limousines? Why doesn't he talk intimately with the downtrodden to whom he really belongs? Why does he sometimes react angrily to his ill-informed and irresponsible critics? Why doesn't he disclose the sources of his funds which surely don't drop from Vaikuntha?
Perhaps some day I'll find answers to these questions. Of course, I do not expect him to defend himself. He need not. In our ignorance we have all sorts of doubts and misgivings. As we grow older and wiser, through our constant exposure to his mere presence, we'll realise that there are no longer any doubts to be cleared and questions to be answered."
Terrie 886
07-26-2001 03:57 PM
Edited by author 07-26-2001 03:58 PM
Ref: Atal Behari Vajpayee #880 You asked, "Why is sb called anti-chirst?"
I am not the board moderator, but Anthony Thomas, who moderates the board, has written his reasons in an article titled, "A Very Clever Set-up." You can see this document at http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise on the INNER PLANES page.
I think Anthony will eventually reply to you on this board, but sometimes he's busy and it takes a few days for him to reply to posts. In the meantime you can read his article.
Justice P.N.Bhagawathi 885
07-26-2001 03:54 PM
Dear Hari Sampath,
Hari, regarding your reference in the salon.com article to the Supreme Court Action in India, could you please tell all of us how this came about and exactly what are you asking the court to do?
1) Are you the sole petitioner?
2) What action has been taken to date?
3) Is there a case number?
AncientArrow 884
07-26-2001 03:24 PM
Dear Hari Sampath,
Hari, regarding your reference in the salon.com article to the Supreme Court Action in India, could you please tell all of us how this came about and exactly what are you asking the court to do?
1) Are you the sole petitioner?
2) What action has been taken to date?
3) Is there a case number?
4) Is there a way to track the progress of the case on the internet?
5) What can we ex-devotees do to help?
AncientArrow
George at Sunrise 883
07-26-2001 02:37 PM
Hari's and Afshin's site has now been fully linked to Sunrise. There are links on the Pipeline page, which describes the sathyasaivictims site, and additional links on the Media, Ex-devotee, Testimonies and Outer Planes pages. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise
We aren't going to attempt to add all the new material on sathyasaivictims.com to our site. But we've provided links to the new site, so anyone can access material on
http://www.sathyasaivictims.com
from Sunrise.
Terrie 882
07-26-2001 02:27 PM
Dr. Siva, you wrote:
ARE YOU AFRAID THAT YOU WILL BE TRANSFORMED..? I COULD SENSE YOUR TREMBLING INTERIOR..
This definitely made my laugh for the day!! If you think that is true, then your imagination surpasses the most diehard of ssb devotees.
I have already been "transformed..." for more than 25 years as a devotee.
The real transformation happens after one becomes an ex-devotee.
But please don't draw us into any more petty arguments on this board. We've had enough from the hairy guy, yourself in the past and a few others. I do applaud your use of your real name. Now who is "hairy"....?
MarsWalker108 881
07-26-2001 02:11 PM
Dear Questor,
I was also wondering abot the exact reference from the Hindu Scriptures concerning the quote about forgiveness. I reprinted the quote fron Sri Daya Mata's recent new book, "Enter The Quiet Heart." Most of her new book comes from various articles in SRF MAGAZINE. I hope to find the information, eventually. Thanks for the interest.
Love, MarsWalker108
Atal Behari Vajpayee 880
07-26-2001 01:30 PM
I live in Race Course Road New Delhi.
May i ask the moderator of this board,as to why Sai Baba is termed as Anti-Christ?
Cock & Bull 879
07-26-2001 01:18 PM
>>Are you the one to make decisions for birth and death of others.? Then you ought to be a SUPER EXALTED SOUL. <<
Each and everyone of us are exalted souls trying to merge with the PARAMATMA,this includes even the pedophile Raju.
Atal Behari Vajpayee 875
07-26-2001 12:11 PM
May i ask,as to why Sai Baba is termed as Anti-Christ?
Michelle Goldberg 874
07-26-2001 11:55 AM
>>>Hari Sampath,Which Samithi were you a member?Under whose leadership you were acting?Which groups you joined for discussion with Sathya Sai Baba?Where were you living in Prashanthi Nilayam??Are your parents aware that your are indulging in this kind of character assasination of Sathya Sai Baba??<<
I would personally appreciate,if you would answere these questions.Because i too am interested in knowing the inner details and working of Sathya Sai Organisation.
Thanks.
George at Sunrise 873
07-26-2001 11:48 AM
Edited by author 07-26-2001 12:04 PM
Hari and Afshin: Hey, you guys, you have a "cheating" counter. I mean, if you read 10 articles on your site and go back to the main page after each article, the counter will go up by 10. This is the beauty of frames...the links frame is beside the main frame on the first page.
But then, most people won't go back to the main page unless their computer doesn't show frames. Anyhow, it's a real nice counter. I just put 5 counts on it for you.
Terrie 872
07-26-2001 11:20 AM
Edited by author 07-26-2001 11:24 AM
Agreed, C&B. I think it's Dr. Siva too. A while ago he said he was leaving this board for good. Guess the draw of the sensible and truthful anti-ssb people was too much for him.
Cock & Bull 871
07-26-2001 10:56 AM
Anthony,Please delete my message if its occupying space.Its just that the "hairy"monster was cawing and you chaps did not reply or put that guy or her in their place.I suspect its that Dr.Sabapathy Siva character,who has been posting under some goddamed name,boy it felt good kicking Raju's ass.
Terrie 870
07-26-2001 10:50 AM
Edited by author 07-26-2001 10:52 AM
Thanks for the deletions, Anthony. I for one would appreciate seeing a lot less of the hairy ape on this board. (Sorry....I've just been reading news stories on the new Planet of the Apes movie. I couldn't resist....)
Anthony 869
07-26-2001 10:47 AM
Hari
That was OK. i just wanted to know if you felt it was of benefit. No problem.
I have deleted two recent posts by Hairy. Enough is enough.
Cock and Bull
Can you make your posts more to the point and us less spacing please.
Terrie 868
07-26-2001 10:39 AM
Hari (Sampath), first I want to compliment you on your site. If I were doing a site, it would probably look like yours. I like the clarity and